Obama please state America is not racist win/lose

If you read the reports about Barack Obama's historic nomination, the subtext is clear. America is less racist because Democrats chose Obama. The opposite was being threatened if he somehow was denied: "Democrats (and America) are still racist and a black man can't get ahead".

I reject this thinking as insulting to me as an African American, and to my great country.

It is also an affront to Martin Luther King's stated vision of America.

Obama and Clinton were never judged by the content of their character.  Instead, blacks, liberals, and some young people judged him by his skin tone and what they thought he represented.

They concluded he represented progress and the future.  
No one seriously thinks Obama is "change" in a real sense that will matter in our daily lives.  If so, how?

This is all about race.  Exactly what King said it shouldn't be about.

The question we must ponder is: If obama loses, is America racist? That was the implication in the Primaries.

Well let me answer:

America is not racist. This is true whether or not Obama won/lost the Democratic nomination.

America is not racist. This is true whether or not Obama wins in November.

It is fine and great for many people to reflect on the racist past of America and to celebrate progress, but it is not fine to attempt to emotionally blackmail our political system into choosing a person we wouldn't otherwise choose.

Many people have said Obama won not as a black candidate but one who just happened to be be black. That is a bold faced lie. Were Obama a white candidate he wouldn't have had the audacity to run for POTUS. If he did, he would have done just as well as John Edwards or Dennis Kucinch.

This election is a victory for the radical left and the African American community who basically threatened the Democratic Party with mass apathy and chaos if Obama didn't win.

Hillary's only chance was to prevent Obama from ever getting going. That was impossible because the same people above were guaranteed to give him a chance to get going. The liberal electorate was never going to pass up this chance to prove they "weren't racists" anymore.

So far from being above and beyond race, this election is all about race. Sometimes shamelessly as in the Obama campaign in South Carolina, other times in a sad way such as right now.

By the way, I'm under no allusions that Hillary wouldn't do the same thing in reference to gender if she were allowed to. But the media's Clinton fatigue, plus the fact that race trumps gender in politics never permitted it to happen. Witness her "crying moment" in New Hampshire. The media was cynical from day 1 (As they should have been). Contrast that with the "Rev. Wright--I could no more disown him than my own white grandmother speech". The media accepted the bogus template completely.

I will vote for Obama in November because

- I'm a yellow dog dem and I want my party to rule the country
- Obama will appoint better judges than McCain
--Obama will work to make the criminal justice system more effective than McCain will.
-Obama supports a strong government to give people a fair chance to succeed and so do I.
-Obama supports gun control and so do I.

The policy reasons go on and on, but that's not why Democrats chose Obama and why he is being celeberated today.

It is sad that Democrats have chosen because of his race.
Many white Democrats saw/see this as their opportunity to solidify their black vote for the rest of their life and they have taken it.

This was the wrong way to make history.  It has been done numerous times the right way:

Thurgood Marshall on the Supreme Court
Jackie Robinson in MLB
various ceo's in business(we couldn't name them all if we tried)
Colin Powell in the military

The proper way to break a barrier like this was to run a qualified African American, win fair and square based on the issues, and then recognize the achievement afterwards.

Once again, Obama can change all of this tonight, by acknowledging the above, and saying he should be judgeed on the merits.  Either way, he and Michelle (yeah right!) will still love this country as a fair place and the best place to live.

Craig Farmer
making the word "liberal" safe again!



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As a young liberal. I find it insulting that you (2.00 / 8)

make the assertion that me and my fellow generation can't think critically about politics. It's bad enough when I am told that I have no interest or that I won't show up to vote when in fact evidence this cycle (and past cycles) have shown otherwise. You would be foolish to think that people my age don't have a grasp of what's at stake and it's foolish to assume that ALL or even most people my age picked Obama because of some kind of affirmative action. That is ridiculous. If "adults" are so "concerned" about the youth not understanding politics than perhaps you need not be so cynical of the youth vote. We can, and do think for ourselves.


by SocialDem on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:42:30 AM EST

Re: As a young liberal. I find it insulting that y (none / 0)

"It's bad enough when I am told that I have no interest or that I won't show up to vote when in fact evidence this cycle (and past cycles) have shown otherwise"

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg i?f=/c/a/2004/11/03/MNG5B9KH4C1.DTL


by dtaylor2 on Thu Sep 04, 2008 at 05:04:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

correction: (2.00 / 6)

some in America ARE racist. This is true whether or not Obama won/lost the Democratic nomination.

some in America ARE racist. This is true whether or not Obama wins in November.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:45:39 AM EST

Re: correction: (2.00 / 2)

OMG, I just mojoed Canadian gal!

But the issue is whether America is Not Guilty, and how you fight it. Two subjects. AAs first.  

As to AAs. it used to be blatant, but is on its way out but not gone yet. Now it is not legal, and the laws are mostly neutral, so it is a fight against the holdouts.  I think o made a deliberate choice, until forced by the Wright mess, to soft pedal or no-pedal the race issue, which is why he was such a  bland, cool policy wonk early on, mocked for his dumpy suit. The middle class black tradition is in any event one which in public Does Not act out on such things, no matter what may be said around the kitchen table. Except for what the Wright thing threw out and some stuff which was occasioned by Discouraging Words of others, if you didn't have photos, or read the books, how much would you really know? The racism fight as to AAs is now at a more subtle level, at which point is the argument about experience based on the unstated premise that black people are always less qualified, or lazy, stereotypes recycled with new dressing and at which point is such a legitimate comment and not a smoke screen for something nasty. A tougher question, but still one which must be addressed, once you saw the comments that O was lazy because he went to visit gramma in Hawaii with the kids and ate cheeseburgers, during the Olympics.

Anyway, his position is that we are trying to play through and beyond the old war days to somethng more perfect. And he and everyone else who addresses it admits it will not be an easy move, that next round of transition. We are perfectable but not perfect.  And he's not wrong. My kids, whose father was AA, understand it differently than their parents did, although they both adjust for racism every day of their lives in smaller ways.

But a flat out statement of non-racism is not on either. Second issue. I am looking at what is happening to Latinos, citizens and legal or not, and that has everything to do with race. As if it is no longer appropriate in public to do that to AAs, but OK now for Latinos because you can wrap it in the idea of their all being illegal, even the ones born here from parents born here who must be as careful to carry ID when driving while Latino in the same way AAs have to be careful when driving while black. And yes, there have been Latino citizens born here who were deported to Tijuana, who had to be retrieved. Part of it is culture, because most white Americans are not in the generations which itself immigrated and who have gotten their assimilation done, and forgtten how long it took and how hard it was, or that their ancestors ever had to do it. A lot more of that than before because Latinos are being drawn by jobs to places which were not formerly places which saw much in the way of immigrants of any kind except uncle Sven or the second cousins.

And, oh yes, Middle Eastern-Americans, especially those not Christian. Somehow Bosnian and British Muslims simply don't have the same problems here. Thousands of young men were simply rounded up a few years ago, because of this, and not with any probable cause they had done anything wrong, and held for weeks or months unless some small imperfection were found.  

And this campaign has not begun to consider Native Americans, who are as much behind the racial eight ball as they ever were.


by Christy1947 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:50:55 AM EST
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Racism still as legal as Classism (none / 0)

else why are blacks a tenth as wealthy as whites?

;-)

We may not encourage it no more, but that doesn't mean we dont' share in the blame, for exacerbating existin' injuries.


*&=4eva
by BlogSurrogate57 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:38:35 PM EST
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Re: Obama please state ... (2.00 / 7)

No one seriously thinks Obama is "change" in a real sense that will matter in our daily lives.

Yes, I do.


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:47:52 AM EST

Re: Obama please state America is not racist win/l (2.00 / 4)

Clarence Thomas?  Is that you?


by ProgressiveDL on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:53:06 AM EST

thanks yellowdem (2.00 / 3)

Even when race is not being discussed, you're always there to remind us that we shouldn't talk about it!


by highgrade on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 10:57:56 AM EST

Re: Obama please state America is not racist win/l (2.00 / 5)

Of course America is not racist!  When a white guy with a criminal record has a better chance of landing a job than a black guy without one, that's just one of those funky coincidences, man!


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:09:23 AM EST

I'm SHOCKED I tell you.... (2.00 / 6)

Well, not only are there certainly racists still in America, but there are (I know you will be shocked as I am) folks that are prejudiced against gay people....


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:17:11 AM EST

Re: I'm SHOCKED I tell you.... (2.00 / 1)

I left them out of my comment because the diary was couched specifically to race and the diarist identified himself as AA.  glbt and women have a parallel issue but race is not, usually, that particular issue. Trying to stay on point.


by Christy1947 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:55:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm SHOCKED I tell you.... (none / 0)

Hi Christy...

This poster has done a number of very anti-gay almost homophobiac diaries here.

Just a little dig at his history.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:57:34 AM EST
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Re: I'm SHOCKED I tell you.... (none / 0)

Cases in point....

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/8/3/17354 4/2288

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/26/7339 /27163

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/23/1346 32/839


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:02:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: I'm SHOCKED I tell you.... (none / 0)

Win!


by Dreorg on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:16:36 PM EST
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False dichotomy (2.00 / 6)

Look, the fact that Barack Obama's nomination strongly shows that we are less racist than once we were does not mean that his hypothetical failure to be nominated would have, ipso facto, meant that we were more racist.

Your argument is intellectually bankrupt.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:27:02 AM EST

Obama Didn't Win Because His Skin Color... (2.00 / 4)

The bottom line is that Obama won because he actually understood the Dem nomination process and its apportionment methods, and more specifically he understood that caucuses were where the easy pickings were, particularly since he had an energetic base.

That's it. Not because of some sort of racially motivated sympathy vote.

The Clintons simply didn't understand this, and were myopically focused to their post-primary campaign, convinced they'd wrapped the primary up.


by alteran on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:33:36 AM EST

Re: Obama Didn't Win Because His Skin Color... (none / 0)

It may be more appropriate to say that his organization and etc. outweighed whatever race issues the voters and caucusers had. There are lots of AAs who won't vote for him either and lots of Scots-Irish who see him but the problem with him is they can't find what he is going to do for them. It's in the mix, which is better than before, when it once would have been seen and that would have been the end of thought, rather than something which had to fight it out against his other virtues.


by Christy1947 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:59:18 AM EST
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"Wrong side of History" (none / 0)

that's why john lewis switched.

Both candidates needed the superdelegates to win, and Obama won them because of the implied threat of chaos and problems with the A.A. community.

It's politically incorrect to talk about, but it's true and it's a shame on the anniversary of MLK's speech.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:08:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: "Wrong side of History" (none / 0)

But the superdelegate votes weren't decisive.  Split them down the middle, 50/50, and you still get the same result.


by Jordache on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:20:32 PM EST
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yeah (none / 0)

THAT's why civil rights pioneer John Lewis switched to Obama

rolls eyes


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:51:55 PM EST
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America is still racist (2.00 / 5)

You're still here, after all, yellowdem1129, interjecting race into the discussion when none of us were talking about it.

How can you say that "This is all about race" and then that "America is not racist" a few lines later?  If America were not racist, then having the election be all about race would be counter-productive to actually winning (much like school vouchers).

Some people are going to vote for Obama because they want to see a black president.  Some people are going to vote against him because they don't want to see a black president (I've heard people on radio and C-SPAN's Washington Journal saying that Obama would push for slavery reparations).

Obama himself has angled away from the traditional black politics of Jesse Jackson and his ilk and repeatedly has tried to neutralize the race issue.  Obama loses the race issue because America is still, on some level, racist.  He would rather not people thought of it at all.

Your efforts would be better served going to the racist sites like NoQuarter and trying to convince them that race should not be an issue.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:42:24 AM EST

Re: America is still racist (2.00 / 3)

If he goes to NQ, he'd better not mention being Black.


* Hums Mr. Rogers theme *
by Maori on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 11:52:33 AM EST
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Whatever for? (2.00 / 2)

If he believes that America is no longer racist, it shouldn't be a problem.  It'd be a great proof of his theory to post his personal information in a place like that.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:08:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Whatever for? (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, I find it odd that that title and conclusion is that America is not racists, but the analysis says that Obama was picked ONLY because of his skin color over the other candidate with a different skin color...uh, that sounds racist to me.


by KLRinLA on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:48:13 PM EST
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Re: America is still racist (none / 0)

Just because he claims to be black, doesn't mean he is.


by venician on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:36:53 PM EST
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Re: America is still racist (none / 0)

Obama and his supporters are using the benefits of being black at THIS time in America to win.  There are numerous people of good will who want to "move past race" and Obama is playing on their hopes to win.

He could tell them, "Don't vote for me, as some way to move past race". "Vote for me because I'm the best qualified, or have the best plans".

But as you see the reports about the "historical significance", it shows that the subtext of everything is, "we are getting past our racial history".


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:10:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Liar (2.00 / 1)

Obama is not doing that, his campaign is not doing that, and only the most morally bankrupt of his supporters would even think of pushing Obama because of his race.  "Change" and "different" and the like apply to far more about Obama than just his race.

If some people are tempted to vote for him as a way to get past racial division, that's their business.  Fact of the matter is, he's probably a better candidate on an objective level for most of the people who would think that, anyway.  


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:37:45 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This is an Egyptian Troll (2.00 / 2)

One wrap around DeNile.


by IowaMike on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:03:24 PM EST

~hums a tune~ (none / 0)

Everyone's a little bit racist, sometimes.


by Dreorg on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:17:57 PM EST

Yellowdem please go away. (none / 0)

You and your bile are so yesterday.


"I don't know too much about Sarah Palin, but perhaps that's the good news." -- GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
by Obama44 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:28:03 PM EST

Re: Obama please state America is not racist win/l (2.00 / 3)

Does gay marriage cause Global Warming?  

Tune into YellowIdiot's next diary, and find out!

In that episode, YellowIdiot will also explain how "normal" people don't like to live next door to those weird acting gay folk. He will also explain that if you tolerate their existence, you can no longer claim to be "normal."

YellowIdiot will then go on to make the case for the eradication of said "abnormal" people.  He will be making this case from the inside of a Mental Institution, while also concurrently making the case that all significant events in history are tied to the number "23."

This exciting episode will be sponsored, (without commercial interruption), by the "Society for the Reintroduction of Basement Dwelling Troglodytes in Polite Company."


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 12:51:00 PM EST

Good god (none / 0)

You know, screw that argument. Many Americans ARE racists. You don't have to be a KKK sheet wearing son of a bitch to be racist. It can be, and usually is much more subtle than that.

And the highly insulting argument that Democrats chose Obama because he has darker skin is neigh on idiotic. And a great example of that subtle thinking.

Tell you what, don't give up your day job to try and examine "subtext", you are about as good at it as those desperate TV people, that is, horrible.

Frankly, you don't have the chops to be making these assertions. The arguments are Sophomore level college thinking. Got the terminology but not the processing skills.


by notedgeways on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:28:01 PM EST

Re: Obama please state America is not racist (none / 0)

And for someone who argues we oughtn't talk about race, you keep bringing up yours and Obama's.

"If he did, he would have done just as well as John Edwards"

In Iowa atleast that meant "better than what Hillary did".

We have no reason to believe that in the absence of Obama, Edwards wouldn't have won a devastating victory against Hillary Clinton, and that the primaries wouldn't have been over far before they ended up being.


by Aris Katsaris2 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:52:04 PM EST

Right, no race here. (none / 0)

Hm, they just thwarted an assassination plot against Obama by some charming gentlemen with swastika jewelry. I'll give you three guesses as to why they objected to Obama's candidacy.


by Cincinnatus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 01:59:00 PM EST

Re: Right, no race here. (none / 0)

Perfect example: you do realize people try to kill President's and candidates everyday?

Some nut tries to kill Obama and it's a sympton of America?

No, it's a nut.
---
Another example:

95.5 radio here in Wash D.C. asked on the air:
Is the media trying to "divide and conquer" by finding black supporters of Hillary who won't support Barack in November?

Obama's candidacy is built on this nonsense very skillfully.

He can and should move past it tonight.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:13:18 PM EST
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Re: Right, no race here. (none / 0)

People don't generally try to kill candidates because they're white.


by Cincinnatus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:17:45 PM EST
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Re: Right, no race here. (none / 0)

Oh, sorry,

I thought threat of death = threat of death regardless of color.

But I guess it must be different for everyone else.

This shows the racial prism people here are stuck in.

There's a reason why every nominee gets SS protection.

But for Obama it's "even more sensitive".


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:21:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Let's follow your absurdity (none / 0)

death threat = death threat, regardless of color

death = death, regardless of color

So, take the murder rate of the US. Cut it in half. Now, say it's only Asians being killed. Only Asians. Half the murders. less crime.

By your logic, that situation is preferable to today.


by Neef on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 04:51:26 PM EST
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Obama is about age, not race (2.00 / 1)

The appeal of Obama to younger voters is not his race. A standard-issue black politician would never get this much traction among young people. The appeal is about generational change. Obama represents the Millennial Generation just coming of age politically. He is pragmatic, civic, and unbothered by culture wars. He's the first true post-Boomer candidate.

That explains his appeal to young people - and to me.


by elrod on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:04:37 PM EST

Re: Obama is about age, not race (none / 0)

maybe for you that's true.

But if you watched Oprah and Obama in S.C.

It was about "not letting them stop you from voting".

It was about "all the struggle for the right to vote".

It was about "having the courage" to stand up.

It wasn't that way in Iowa. It wasn't that way in NH.

It was that was in S.C., Georgia, etc.

Tonight is Obama's chance to repudiate the cynical campaign and start fresh with a POTUS campaign on issues.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:15:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama is about age, not race (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, how dare they fight for fair voting rights! That's some bullshit right there.


by Cincinnatus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:18:23 PM EST
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nobody is being denied (none / 0)

it is all phony.

do you think, democrats were trying to suppress votes in the democratic primary?

Come on.


by yellowdem1129 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:19:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: nobody is being denied (2.00 / 1)

Yeah, nobody's ever tried voting suppression tactics. Especially not in the deep south. Why, we haven't seen that since... well, since the last election.


by Cincinnatus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:20:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Question for other TUs (none / 0)

Do we troll rate this guy? Cause I honestly can't tell if he's a troll or just a colossal moron.


by Cincinnatus on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:19:50 PM EST

Look at his history (2.00 / 1)

He's been posting the same sort of stuff since last year at least.  

I'd go with the latter of your two choices, if they were the only options.  

Like McCain, yellowdem1129 is drastically misguided about many issues, but he's not a troll.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 02:41:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Look at his history (none / 0)

He seems to be colossally stupid, but sincere.

Miker2008, on the other hand - what's up with that guy?


by Jordache on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 05:23:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Look at his history (none / 0)

I think Miker has been huffing too much oven cleaner.

Brain cells starved of oxygen is a terrible thing.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 06:31:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama please state America is not racist (none / 0)

Such strange views on race...


by Skaje on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 03:57:41 PM EST

Racist? Maybe not (none / 0)

homophobic, definitely...as you well know.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Thu Aug 28, 2008 at 07:49:44 PM EST


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