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NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6

by Todd Beeton, Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:36:56 PM EST

Things are looking very good for Barack Obama 5 months out from election day according to the new NBC News/Wall St. Journal Poll (1000 RVs, 6/6-9, MOE +/- 4%.) While Barack Obama has led John McCain in this survey ever since March, post-primary, Barack Obama now leads John McCain by 6 points.

Candidate	June	April	March
Obama	47	46	44
McCain	41	43	42

Looking at the demographic breakdown, Barack Obama does well among those groups traditionally seen as both his own core base of support as well as Hillary Clinton's:

In the head-to-head matchup, Obama leads McCain among African Americans (83-7 percent), Hispanics (62-28), women (52-33), Catholics (47-40), independents (41-36) and even blue-collar workers (47-42). Obama is also ahead among those who said they voted for Clinton in the Democratic primaries (61-19)...Obama has a seven-point advantage (46-39) among all white women.

So why is this thing even as close as it is? White dudes.

Yet among white men -- who made up 36 percent of the electorate in the 2004 presidential election -- Obama trails McCain by 20 points, 55-35 percent.

Now, it should be noted that even with what looks like a solid percentage of Clinton's supporters on board with Obama, adding Hillary Clinton to the ticket is a big plus, getting the Democratic ticket up above the 50% mark, poised for a landslide victory in November.

Candidate	June
Obama/Clinton	51
McCain/Romney	42

The key: the noncommital voters categorized as "not sure," "other" or "depends" break overwhelmingly for Obama/Clinton.

Tags: 2008 presidential election, barack obama, john mccain, hillary clinton, nbc news, wall st. journal poll (all tags)

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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (1.60 / 5)

i think most of the obama supporters here would rather lose without hillary on the ticket than win with her, but you'll have to ask them first.

to find out if a six point lead for the democrat at this point of the campaign is good enough to win, ask john kerry.

LA Times poll, June 5-8
Bush 42
Kerry 48

by campskunk on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:44:27 PM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (2.00 / 1)

Not me.

However this from the poll:

Twenty-two percent say that adding Clinton as Obama's vice presidential running mate makes them more likely to vote for Obama in November; 21 percent say it makes them less likely to vote for him; and 55 percent say it makes no difference.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:57:58 PM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (2.00 / 2)

i think most of the obama supporters here would rather lose without hillary on the ticket than win with her

Let's try and drop the straw men now that we're onto the general, it's not helping anything.

I'm sure I speak for 100% of the non-troll Obama supporters here who say that I'd rather win with Clinton than lose without her.

Now, would I prefer he pick her as his VP? No (don't tar me for it, I don't blame you for wanting her on the ticket). But those two positions are wildly different.

by randomscientist on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:49:14 PM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

Great point here. I strongly agree.

by oliver cromwell on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:27:53 AM EST
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i'd rather win without Hillary on the ticket. that's just me.

saying that we'd rather lose without hillary then win with her as v.p. is pretty asinine.

by alex100 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:46:57 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

But compare: Obama's performance on Rasmussen this week, looking like a closing average that will be in the +5/6 area, is considerably better than Kerry ever managed (never even reached +3 ahead of Bush at any point). Still an awful lot can happen, but it's an encouraging baseline position. I call this "baseline" because it's the first time you have a straight head-to-head matchup: previously HRC's continued presence was clearly depressing Obama's score somewhat among Democrats, just as McCain did not score so well while there were other Republicans left in their nomination fight. With no incumbent there's every chance that the swings in polling will be a lot greater this time around; I'm expecting a rollercoaster ride.

by al1 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 05:29:31 AM EST
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Might be Romney (none / 0)

The better Obama/Clinton numbers may have to do with the Romney part of McCain/Romney. The poll shows an equal numbers MORE and LESS likely to vote for Obama with Hillary on the ticket.

by elrod on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:48:25 PM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

If clinton is not chosen as vp despite her public interest , it is possible there would be a drop in his numbers.

The ongoing focus on VP selections especially on Clinton and a subsequent denial which doesn't make much sense to me from the Obama campaign perspective could cause disunity at least among some of her supporters who have tentatively thrown support behind Obama.

Granted it might not be permanent and we have no idea the percentage.

That said if I was in the Mccain camp I would be cautiously optimistic with these numbers , contrary to what your opening statement says I really don't think a 6 point lead is that much of a lead taking into consideration how toxic the political atmosphere is for republicans.

That might signal the strength of Mccain or doubts about Obama.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:00:27 PM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (2.00 / 1)

Good to see you blogging here, Lori, hadn't seen any comments from you just lately. As you might expect I have a slightly different take on the Hillary as VP notion. I subscribe to the 'dodged a bullet' view on our nominee, and not through and personal antagonism of Hillary, either, mind you. From my perspective the issues of the war in Iraq, lobbyist contributions and 'outsider' vs 'Beltway,' as perceived as narratives in this campaign, are crucial to the Democratic message for the remainder of the election cycle. I am grateful that we have an unambiguous 'message' on these points, at last. I was concerned in the event of her nomination, and this applies to her selection as VP choice too, that we would once again attempt to fight a general election campaign with equivocal positions vis a vis our Republican opponent which amplifies their counter-message of weakness and allows the 'liberal' fear-mongering full force. With a set of credible alternative positions to the Republican political ideology they are forced to counter us on these points before they can get down to their time-honoured hobby of dismissing Democrats as 'big government' socialists and weak dreamers.

No disrespect to Hillary but although her policy, at least on domestic issues, paralleled Obama's pretty closely, or vice-versa from a Hillary supporters view, the delivery and messaging of her campaign was geared to creating distinctions elsewhere besides the war in Iraq and lobbyist politics. I'm grateful that we are not carrying that limitation into the general election and can bring these issues to bear in the campaign with the same enthusiasm with which they were pursued in the primary. They seemed to work.

by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:13:16 PM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

Amen, issue wise Obama and Clinton are pretty interchangeable. However, I think her baggage as a candidate would weigh Obama down like an albatross. Over time, Obama will attract the bulk of her supporters anyway just because ideologically he is a much better option than McCain.

by tlhwraith on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:17:45 PM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

I personally would not hold it against him if he doesn't pick her , there are several names out there I would be fine with Webb , Warner etc , however I don't doubt there would be a certain percentage of her supporters that would be upset if she is not chosen despite her public interest.

High profile democrats around the country supporting her both in the senate and in the democratic party apparatus have been pushing the message on a daily basis , if he doesn't pick her I expect she would work hard for him regardless but another round of unity calls would be needed then.

The polls are showing her to be more of an asset than I would have thougth , she pushes Obama to rival the generic advantage a dem has over a republican.

However in terms of messaging I think she complements him on the change vs. experience thing . Obama I anticipate would pick an " insider " as VP .

Of course she has drawbacks , she might draw out more of the conservative base , its a possibility.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:31:18 PM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

I am in the wait and see department. What I mean is that I want to wait a few weeks and take a new look at the polls and landscape. If she still helps him like she does now, then I believe he should pick her, but if someone else looks better at that point he should go that route. I don't want him to rush into making his pick.

by Xris on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:49:32 PM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

I certainly respect your opinion and everything you say makes good sense but I'm guessing that Obama's pick will be an 'outsider' of one kind or another, perhaps in ways which may surprise or challenge us.

by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:58:03 PM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

You mean in the military sense.

He can pick someone from the military , that would be great and an " outsider ".

However that would be an obvious concession to some of his critics in terms of " experience " thats why I doubt he would go that route.

Although I think Clinton would be great on the ticket , I am sensing he would end up picking someone else.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:16:21 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

I actually didn't have any specific in mind, but having watched Obama very carefully over the past year and more I just have a hunch it will be some kind of 'outsider' which may not fit the prognostications of the pundits or the heart's desire of progressives.

by Shaun Appleby on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:27:52 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

according to the polls, Obama does best with Edwards. Does that mean Obama should pick him up?

by alex100 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:49:24 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

This has been very interesting to me. I have no big problems with Edwards but am not nearly as big a fan of his as many here in the blogosphere...but I have been very interested to see the numbers that the Obama/Edwards ticket pulled in the polling. It is sometyhing worth watching closely to see if it holds up over time.

by oliver cromwell on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:33:27 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

i'm not so sure we should pick a v.p. based on polling though.

i think both Hillary and Edwards are wrong for the v.p. slot.

there are a lot of qualified people that can strengthen the Democratic brand and bench.

by alex100 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 04:25:45 PM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

Obama on a 3 month upward trend as people got to know him a little more.

McCain't on a three month downward trend for the same reason.

Still this is way too early to make predictions based on these numbers.

It's time to restore balance and fairness to our economy,... It's time to stop giving tax cuts to corporations that ship jobs overseas... - Barack Obama

by Lefty Coaster on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:02:44 PM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (2.00 / 1)

Hello everyone, glad to be on mydd. I've read this blog for a while and like the fact that there was at least an attempt at being fair towards the end of the Clinton v Obama battle.

I think that everyone who is prognosticating about the effect of Clinton as VP are really jumping the gun. It's just too early to make any real assessment whether or not Clinton supporters will just migrate to Obama before the convention. She's been gone less than a week and already we've seen a bump in the polls for him, let's see what happens now that the spotlight is squarely on McCain, who has for the last 2 months or so basically been given a really big pass. In the end, IMO, McCain will be Obamas biggest recruiting tool.

This all reminds me of when Edwards dropped out. It was kind of obvious to me that the lions share of Edwards supporters would go to Obama, yet the MSM and a lot of Clinton supporters were trying to make a case that she was the more logical fit for them. In the end, the numbers looked very much like Obama absorbed the bulk of Edwards supporters and probably contributed a lot to his 11-0 run. In this case, there is a stark dichotomy between MCCain and Obama, not to mention party loyalty, I just don't see there being a real danger of significant numbers of Clinton supporters going to McCain. Some of the more militant ones are saying it now, but let's see what happens after a couple of debates.

by tlhwraith on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:13:07 PM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

I would have been happier if this poll had left Romney off of the GOP ticket, because he's one of the worst picks McCain could make (and the Republicans have figured this out). He loses votes from all sides: Dem-leaners think he hocked his soul to the religious right; indies think he's a flip-flopping empty suit; many fundies think he's a cultist. I don't think the Dems are going to get this lucky.

by IncognitoErgoSum on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:14:08 PM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

An interesting view from Thomas Edsall on the pessimism within the GOP on McCain's candidacy:

In not-for-attribution interviews, a number of Republicans were neither optimistic about his chances nor positive in their assessment of his campaign so far.

"I think we've got a world of problems," said one Republican strategist with extensive experience in presidential campaigns. He said this came home to him with a thud when he watched Obama and McCain give speeches last Tuesday, with the Democrat speaking before "20,000 screaming fans, while John McCain looked every bit of his 72 years" in a speech televised from New Orleans. This Republican cited the liberal blogger Atrios' description of McCain's speech with a green backdrop that made McCain "look like the cottage cheese in a lime Jell-O salad."

For McCain to stand a chance of winning, the operative contended, the campaign, the Republican National Committee, or an independent group will have to finance sustained negative ads developing a broad assault on Obama's credibility as a national leader at a time of terrorist threat. McCain, however, has gone out of his way to aggressively discourage such activity, the operative pointed out, which, he argued, may kill McCain's chances.

Another strategist with similar presidential experience said "McCain has not claimed the maverick ground that should be his. He has not seized the mantle of 'change' and reform that he could own by going to Washington and saying, 'you know me. You know I've been a reformer all my life. Now, here's how I am going to change Washington if you elect me president.' And he has not taken economic turf. He has not explained how he is going to grow, not Washington, as the Democrats plan, but this economy to meet the challenges of global competition."

Thomas B Edsall - GOP Insiders Worry About McCain's Chances The Huffington Post 08 Jun 08

Doesn't sound like they are having a lot of fun, does it?

by Shaun Appleby on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:22:53 PM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

For all of the talk about the women's vote, the white male vote, etc., if these trends hold up 2008 the Latino vote delivered for the Democrats (breaking for the Dems 2-1, or +33%, instead of the +9 Kerry got in 2004). Part of what's keeping the Republicans up at night is there knowledge that their probably isn't much McCain can do to turn it around (too many facts are set in stone, the GOP torpedoed their immigration bill, but what's driving this, I suspect, is their sense that they just do better under Democratic administrations).

If this pans out (and a few other things happen, eg. African-American turnout maxes out), the Democratic party, for the first time, might get over 40% of their ballots from voters who aren't caucasian. This shift in the Latino vote, imo, is what creates the possibility that there might be a bona fide realignment. What would the Dems have to do to lock up this vote? Immigration reform and health care.

by IncognitoErgoSum on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:54:26 PM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

Excellent point. I've seen the 'perfect wave' notion mentioned a lot lately and they may have a point, as you seemed to indicate regarding the Latino vote. But what about white men? There's got to be some leverage there too.

by Shaun Appleby on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:26:15 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

This poll comes shortly after Obama's post-Hillary concession bump.

in both Rasmussen and Gallup today, signs are that the bump won't be durable.

Will polls soon reflect the Obama/Jim Johnson debacle?

We'll see.

by kingsbridge77 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:07:45 PM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

Aren't you supposed to be waiting for that whitey tape over at Larry Johnson's place?

Just askin'.

by MJJLWolf on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:42:29 PM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

What does the Whitey tape have to do with everything?

by kingsbridge77 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:12:16 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

"Jim Johnson debacle"

Hahahahaha, you deadenders are grasping at any thin straws to heal your ego's. go back to Talkleft.

by Fistjab on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:43:22 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

Do you really think the general public cares about johnson?
or are you just trollin'?

by gil44 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:40:59 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

He lost only one point in Gallup and Rasmussen today, I don't know how long you've been following tracking polls, but a one point swing is absolutely and totally meaningless and could easily be statistical noise. Obama's entire bounce could be temporary, of course, but we'll have to wait and see!

by Hammy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:59:00 AM EST
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Romney won't be running mate (none / 0)

Why is this the line-up we keep looking at?

McCain is very weak with Baptists, adding a Mormon is not going to strengthen up the GOP base.

I have a feeling he might choose Huckabee, and if he choses Huckabee while pledging to be a 1-termer, I think he will bring a lot of his right wing supporters back. Huckabee is the one that the Bush-lovers really want.

by monkeyga on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:13:26 PM EST

One thing repubs understand that many (none / 0)

here don't. Obama ain't the nominee until chosen at the convention. The day after his nomination the republican attack ads start. Will the Media be in the tank for the repubs a third time? Who knows.

by usedmeat on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:29:51 PM EST

Re: One thing repubs understand that many (none / 0)

Burst that bubble you are in. oh and republicans have already started attacking with different levels of intensity, even as far back as as month ago.

one thing though so far barak is a Teflon, if rev wright didn't stick nothing short huge scandal will.

by Fistjab on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:49:52 AM EST
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Re: One thing repubs understand that many (none / 0)

Reverend Wright did stick, it was the story that introduced many conservatives to Obama and it caused his unfavorables to increase among them. It also hardened the resolve of those who already distrusted him.

Luckily conservatives represent an ever-decreasing slice of the electorate and Obama's responses to these sorts of issues are getting better and better.

by Hammy on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:05:44 AM EST
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Re: One thing repubs understand that many (none / 0)

The republicans haven't really started on Obama.
They know there isn't much enthusiasm for McCain so they will do what they can to suppress Democrat voter turn out. You may think questions about his other pals, Resko, Ayers and etc, were asked and answered but they'll surface again.
After Obama is the official nominee the repubs will start up. It will be a steady grind thru September and October of negative political and 527 ads using every thing he has said, done or written against him. If in the last week of October he is polling ahead of McCain, outside the MOE then he has a chance.

by usedmeat on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 07:16:16 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

These early results are very encouraging. Check out the 2004, 2000 comparisons (2008, 2004, 2000):

African Americans
Obama - 83 (88) (90)
McCain - 7 (11) (9)

Hispanics
Obama - 62 (53) (62)
McCain - 28 (44) (35)

Women
Obama - 52 (51) (54)
McCain - 33 (48) (43)

Catholics
Obama - 47 (47) (50)
McCain - 40 (52) (47)

Independents
Obama - 41 (49) (45)
McCain - 36 (48) (47)

White Women
Obama 46 (44) (48)
McCain 39 (55) (49)

White Men
Obama 35 (37) (36)
McCain 55 (62) (60)

by RussTC3 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:48:19 PM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

Do you have a link to those numbers.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:52:48 PM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

They are from the exit polls:

2000 Exit Polls

2004 Exit Polls

by RussTC3 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:10:09 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

hey thanks

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:24:28 AM EST
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Compare White Men in Previous Elections (none / 0)

Gore lost white men in 2000 by 24 points and Kerry lost them by 25 points. The difference in the popular vote was that Gore only lost white women by 1 pt. while Kerry lost them by 11. Obama is stronger today because he is ahead by 7 pts. with respect to white women.

Republicans expect to win white men by 20 pts. This is essentially offset by the overwhelming Dem. advantage 35-50 points with nonwhite voters.Thus the key constituency to win over is white women.

If Obama can maintain his strength with this group he will win in November. If not, expect the drumbeat for a Hillary VP nod to get louder.

by chatters71 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:51:37 PM EST

Re: Compare White Men in Previous Elections (none / 0)

"Gore lost white men in 2000 by 24 points and Kerry lost them by 25 points."

You can't get everybody's votes, and the stupid white guy vote is the best one to do without.

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:27:04 AM EST
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Obama Gives McCain The Bump!!!! (none / 0)

by slinkerwink on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:54:50 PM EST

For crying out loud (none / 0)

why don't you guys lay off the Hillary thing around here?

The internals of the poll showed Hillary offering almost nothing different on the ticket in terms of winning the election. And that was among Democrats. Untested is how many Independents she would chase away.

No one would have to point out how detested she is by many independents if you and Dan Abrams and Cany Crowley and half the dimwit pundits would quit with this stupid distraction of insisting that she should be on the ticket. It's a lousy argument. Move on already. Sounds as silly as pushing her nomination for months after she'd already lost it.

by Sun Dog on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:06:14 AM EST

Re: For crying out loud (none / 0)

Remembering what I saw earlier on TV, people are split evenly as to whether Hillary as VP will cause them to vote for Obama or not, with the remaing 50% saying it makes no difference to them either way.

Hillary's salespeople are running out of selling points faster than a used Yugo dealer.

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:20:30 AM EST
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Re: For crying out loud (none / 0)

how about the externals.

she pushes the numbers so it rivals the dem generic advantage.

its hard to ignore that which is the most important

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:24:07 AM EST
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This means less than 0 (none / 0)

We don't have a popular vote. National polls don't properly disenfranchise as our electoral college does. This is a waste of time.

If you want to gage whether Obama will be our next president, show the state polls in OH, PA FL MO CO VA. They will tell you the whole story.

by NY Writer on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:11:42 AM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

Now, it should be noted that even with what looks like a solid percentage of Clinton's supporters on board with Obama, adding Hillary Clinton to the ticket is a big plus, getting the Democratic ticket up above the 50% mark, poised for a landslide victory in November.

Obamaphobes were predicting he'd be getting his clock cleaned by now with women, blue collars, and Latinos solidly behind McLame. Why should anyone think they'll be right about the effect of putting Hillary on Obama's ticket? Their track record says its effect will be the exact opposite of what they guess.

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:15:03 AM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

What a grotesque exaggeration. These numbers are ok but with 80% of the country believing we're heading the wrong direction they are not stellar by any means.

by ottovbvs on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:39:22 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

At least one person remains stuck in Clinton campaign mode.

You don't need to keep dreaming up reasons to dis the Democratic nominee unless you're really for Bush/McSame.

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:54:04 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

obamaphiles still bashing hillary. yawn. unity much?

by joker on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:36:06 AM EST

Hillary bashing? (none / 0)

I perused this thread and haven't seen any. Pointing out why it isn't necessary that she be VP in order for Obama to win certainly isn't bashing.

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 02:41:20 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

Obama is getting his bump from the nomination win now, and 6 points does not seem overwhelming, considering it is all Obama all the time in the media.

The endorsement Obama really needs is Colin Powell's.

by Bob H on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 06:06:08 AM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

Colin Powell is more important as endorsement than getting Clinton on the ticket. To such has the Obama camp been reduced. Personally I consider Powell one of the prime criminals who got us into the Iraq mess. He was the one guy who could have stopped it and he didn't. As far as I'm concerned he's got the blood of thousands on his hands. I wouldn't spit on him if he was on fire.

by ottovbvs on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:19:04 AM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

powell endorsing obama... that would be something. but like usedmeat said, the start of the 4th quarter is where it's all at. right now, both sides are just setting tones of their resepective campaigns. now that hillary's off the running and giving obama props, that's a big helper. but powell... now that's a different story.

by bryansandiego on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 07:23:33 AM EST

Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

Clinton on the ticket is a no brainer except to the dedicated Clinton haters. These numbers are ok but not a blowout by any stretch. To be fair it's early but if the numbers still look like this at the end of June he's going to need her on the ticket!

by ottovbvs on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:16:05 AM EST

Clinton on the ticket is a no brainer (none / 0)

I agree it is a stupid idea. This poll shows that Obama is doing just fine in all the demographics that it has been falsely claimed he can't carry without Hillary -- except the "stupid white guy" vote which even she can't deliver.

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:00:01 PM EST

Re: Clinton on the ticket is a no brainer (none / 0)

'stupid white guy'? this sort of characterisation is precisely what the DEM party can do without. no thanks for proffering that horrid stereotype.

by swissffun on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 07:21:03 PM EST
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Re: Clinton on the ticket is a no brainer (none / 0)

Stupid white guys (Republicans trash) are what the Democratic Party can do without.

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:23:53 PM EST
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Enjoy..... (none / 0)

Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.

by Freespeechzone on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:29:13 PM EST
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Re: NBC/WSJ Poll: Obama Up By 6 (none / 0)

I don't know how long you've been following tracking polls, but a one point swing is absolutely and totally meaningless and could easily be statistical noise. Obama's entire bounce could be temporary,

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by blueskyadf on Sat Jun 21, 2008 at 05:32:57 AM EST

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